Barack for Veep? Bloggers violently react!
Hillary took the question at California State University in, and took a break from the sparring:
“He is an extraordinary man,” she said, after demurring on the specific question of whether she’d make him vice president. “I hope that however this works out, that he will be a major figure in American politics for years and years to come. I certainly would support that.”
At this point, it’s probably a safe prediction with or without her support.
I love Obama but I still wouldn’t vote for Hillary even with him as VP. He’d never do it though, he wouldn’t sully himself. He is the one that something to offer, not her.
Posted By: mary | January 17, 2008 at 08:14 PM
There’s no way. No president would want to be outshined by their VP.
There’s no way. No president would want to be outshined by their VP.
Posted By: Me | January 17, 2008 at 08:16 PM
Why would he want VP? He could get a private sector job and be rich asin 5 years and then run for President again. Being Clinton’s VP would just tarnish him.
Posted By: Midge | January 17, 2008 at 08:20 PM
At this point, it’s probably a safe prediction with or without her support.
Nice one, Ben. 🙂
Posted By: JenJen | January 17, 2008 at 08:23 PM
There has been a lot of talk about whether or not Obama would accept the no. 2 slot on a Hillary led ticket.
I think that would be a mistake twofold for Obama. First, as “change” is the theme of his candidacy, and his new style politics, decidedly “un-Clintonesque,” would be compromised by being part of a Clinton administration for 4, or worse, 8 years.
Second, no one in the his or her right mind with a real politic future would be the unwanted wheel on the Clinton wagon — the hierarchy would be Hillary, Bill and everybody else, then the Veep. It would be as powerless a vice presidency as anyone every imagined.
Now if Obama was president, he might be able to fit HIllary into the cabinet — preferably some lesser cabinet spot — Agriculture maybe (they always have to sit at home during the State of the Union address, just in case. LOL!)
Posted By: jade7243 | January 17, 2008 at 08:30 PM
Obama will be next governor of Illinois and run again in 2016 before becoming the VP. She does need him though to patch up the riff in the Aferican American community should she be the nominee.
Posted By: mark | January 17, 2008 at 08:37 PM
I hope he doesn’t take it. I’m dead set against Hillary now and would vote 3rd party or McCain, gladly, instead of for her. If he’s on the ticket, I’d almost have to think about it.
Posted By: scia | January 17, 2008 at 08:49 PM
She’s only saying that because she knows she’s in trouble. Perhaps she even is trying to placate Obama fans…kind of offer them a Faustian bargain…let me win this time, and then Obama will inherit the position later. But it would be folly for Obama to serve as her veep. Serving in a Clinton administration is a dead end for future elected political office. Just ask. Just look at other Clinton officials…they’ve done well in the media, but very few have gone on to higher elected office. The Clintons are only good at building up their own careers, not the careers of others or the future of their party. In fact, they make people kind of radioactive to run in the future, because of all of their scandals and baggage.
Posted By: commenter | January 17, 2008 at 08:55 PM
The classic fit back-handed compliment.
Posted By: troe | January 17, 2008 at 09:05 PM
Vice President is political suicide in most cases. For the sake of the Democratic Party’s future, Obama should stay far away from that office.
Posted By: | January 17, 2008 at 09:08 PM
One more point about being veep to Hillary: as we see in the campaign,would serve a huge role in any Hillary administration (and one that is questionable and controversial from a Constitutional standpoint). So being veep one would have to contend both with Hillary and Bill, and that’s a task that no one with any eye on their future wants to deal with.
Posted By: commenter | January 17, 2008 at 09:08 PM
I am sick and tired of the pundits and the koolaid drinkers thinking Obama needs to be vp to Hillary. for one, he has said time and again he is not running for vp. two: no one with any self respect will agree to be vp if Hillary gets the nomination because you’d be regalated to being nothing more than a shadow as Bill would stepping over everyone. None of the good people will take it. Only mediocre blah guys like Bayh or Vilsack. And Obama and Hillary happen to hate each other. So, I say to the pundits and the koolaid drinkers, get over it! Besides, Obama is looking to be president and if not, looks to running for re election as senator.
Posted By: vwcat | January 17, 2008 at 09:12 PM
For all the talk, if Obama is asked to take the VP spot, he takes it. No matter what they say, no one turns it down.
Posted By: Mike | January 17, 2008 at 09:13 PM
I do want to say that if Obama did that, I would lose respect for him. To compromise his ideas and vision of a more honest and transparent government and then take a spot with the most corrupt of them all, HRC, would destroy his reputation. It’s like selling your soul.
Posted By: vwcat | January 17, 2008 at 09:17 PM
Nope. Aswould say, that is never gonna happen.
First of all, I expect Obama will win the nomination, so there is no real need to talk of who would be Hillary’s VP.
Assuming, for the sake of the discussion, that HRC was seeking a VP, it would be a terrible choice for her to choose Obama. Sure, she’d love to kiss and make up with the African-American portion of the electorate by adding him to her ticket, but Obama poses a number of problems unique to Hillary if he were going to be her VP.
There is no way Hillary can pick someone who will outshine her on the campaign trail and remind everyone of her shortcomings. Talk about voter’s remorse! Can you imagine the anxiety and dread that would ensue if, every single day of the general election campaign, the electorate was reminded that the best candidate in the race did not win the nomination? What about an Obama appearance drawing more people than the main candidate? No way. It would be Bayh or Vilsack or Wes Clark or someone like that, i.e. someone who would owe the Clintons in a big way and is in no position to overshadow Hillary or have an independent national power base. While Hillary would love to have the enthusiasm and grassroots organization of the Obama campaign, she would not be able to stomach Obama because he owes her nothing and is already a power player who does not need anyone named Clinton to advance himself.
Also, there is no way Hillary could go through the entire primary season saying Barack was too inexperienced and na?ve and then turn around and say that, actually, you know what? Never mind all that, he actually is ready to be “a heartbeat away.” Why, a flip-flop like that could be devasta?.okay, wait — hold on, hold on. Just a minute here. We are talking abouthere, so I guess it could happen. Heck, it wouldn?t even be her biggest flip-flop.
In any event, it would be a poor strategic choice. If Hillary’s strategy of painting Obama as inexperienced actually ends up working in the primaries, the Republicans will use it too, in addition to the full frontal assault they are longing to unleash on HRC. They will be able to hammer away on so many fronts it will make your head spin. They would be able to attack her judgment (how can she pick someone so na?ve and irresponsible and not ready?), attack her flip-flops (how can she say Obama isn?t ready, then turn around and pick him as a running mate?) and, since the Republican candidate will not be named Clinton or Bush, the GOP candidate would have a much easier time arguing that he is the candidate of change. Thewill also have the option of trotting out all the footage from the primary season where Bill and Hillary are spouting their various inane lines of attack against Obama. The commercials practically write themselves.
If McCain or one of the others with executive experience wins their nomination, Clinton can also forget about winning on the experience fallacy she?s been getting away with so far too. All of that is before the Republicans start dredging up past Clinton scandals, such as the Marc Rich pardon, the travel office firings, the improbable commodities investment prowess, the FBI files mysteriously appearing, the Rose law firm billing records, the Peter F. Paul campaign finance case, etc. etc. etc.
Quite frankly, a Clinton/Obama ticket is probably one of the best shots the Republicans would have at winning. A Clinton/anyone ticket would rally the conservative base, but if Obama was there too, he would look very much like just another sell-out politician at that point and a lot of Obama supporters, especially the coveted independents and moderate Republicans absolutely will not vote for Clinton.
Lastly, even if asked, if Barack wants to maintain his untainted image and be the champion of a different kind of politics, he would be wise to steer clear of any direct involvement with the Clintons. I strongly suspect that he is fully aware of this and would say no even if asked, but, as noted previously; I don?t see it even getting to this point.
On the flip side, once Barack has the nomination in hand, he will not select Hillary as his running mate for all of the reasons that he has been talking about during this campaign. She does not represent the kind of change we need and her politics and image are divisive and will not allow us to achieve the progress we so desperately need. To top it all off, even if she was officially playing second fiddle, does anyone think for a minute that the Clinton machine would stand back and let anyone else run anything?
Barack will also need someone with strong national defense and/or military credentials in the VP spot. Obama ? Webb looks like a winner to me.
Posted By: Michael James | January 17, 2008 at 09:24 PM
Obama turned down quite alot of lucrative offers in his day. He doesn’t like the Clinton’s morals and would not accept third fiddle. It took Gore years to get out of the slime known as Clinton. Anyone with anymore fiber would not tolerate being next to the Clintons because they only think of themselves.
Posted By: sonya | January 17, 2008 at 09:24 PM
Hillary is just doing what she does best: pandering, and this time to the Obama crowd. No way would she offer the veep slot to Obama, because he would so overshadow her. And I don’t believe Obama would take it either, because that would contradict his principles. And she knows she’s in trouble…that’s why she said it. But all that being said, it is a moot point, because Obama will win the nomination and the presidency!
Posted By: commenter | January 17, 2008 at 09:26 PM
This is simply Hillary Humble trying to appear generous after Bill stepping into it with his recent minor explosions over Barack’s very real and growing viability inand elsewhere.
Posted By: Rita1 | January 17, 2008 at 09:40 PM
First, given the outright hostility of the Clinton camp towards Obama, I think it’s highly unlikely that he would be offered the slot. Second, even if the party were to try and cajole him into taking it for the “sake of party unity”, I don’t think he would. The Democratic establishment has not been almost as dismissive of him as the Clintons. After being “Roved” for months by the Clinton’s, my immediate reaction to the offer would be to tell them to “put it where the sun doesn’t shine”. But that’s just me,would will certainly find a much more eloquent way to phrase a refusal.
Posted By: Teach53 | January 17, 2008 at 09:46 PM
Obama would never take a VP to the dual Clinton Whitehouse. The Clintons are toxic and he knows it.
Posted By: RJK | January 17, 2008 at 09:52 PM
what an insult. i wouldn’t be suprised if it was a planted question by the clinton campaign. think about it…
Posted By: MarathonMan | January 17, 2008 at 09:55 PM
I think the Obamabots are dramatically underestimating the raging ambition of a man who managed to write two autobiographies by the age of 45….
Posted By:| January 17, 2008 at 10:29 PM
Can’t believe these posts. The question is would he want Hillary as his Veep? She has good COO qualities.
Posted By: CE | January 17, 2008 at 10:34 PM
clinton and obama will not be o the same ticket together. hillary would pick Ohio Governor Ted Strickland as her veep. done deal. obama will pick sam nunn or some respected democratic figure with big national security/foreign policy chops. perhapsif he’d take it.
Posted By: mierson | January 17, 2008 at 10:34 PM
Obama would not take it. hillary would lose to mccain. then obama would beat mccain in ’12.
Posted By: Jim in SC | January 17, 2008 at 10:38 PM
Obama has too much to lose to be a VP for Hillary.
Posted By: | January 17, 2008 at 10:46 PM
The Clinton/Obama, Obama/Clinton scenario will NEVER HAPPEN. There is a bloody war going on right now for the heart and soul of the Democratic Party between the DLC and the50 state DNC. The DLC is doing everything they can to undermine ‘s 50 state strategy and engagement of the grassroots. Obama represents the Democratic Party of Dean. Clinton represents the DLC control of the DNC under Terry McCaulif. The collaboration on a ticket between these two would never happen.
Posted By: Irishamerican | January 17, 2008 at 10:47 PM
I’m pulling for a Barack Obama/Jim Webb ticket or Obama &from .
Posted By: Kevin | January 17, 2008 at 11:05 PM
RJK is 100% right If Hillary did win – no one worth their salt would be the VP – as they would be third after Bill — I also think the Clinton genuinely dislike Obama for the “gall” he had to challenge their “birthright”- and I think Obama is too self confident and has too much dignity to work as a VP toLuckily she is not going to win – so this is a moot exercise.
Posted By: alison weil | January 17, 2008 at 11:09 PM
If Clinton were to pull out the nomination, yu could really envision a scenario where Hillary needs to put Obama on the ticket in order to unify the party…especially to keep black voters from staying home in Novemeber. That being said, I really hop Obama would turn down the job. Being Vp is a lame job, but being VP to the “co-presidents” would be a total wste of time. Like another good man,, Obama would get tarred by association with Clinton sleaze. He would be much better off to run for Governor of Illinois and not become a crature of .
Posted By: RKA | January 17, 2008 at 11:27 PM